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Welcome to the Eric Erickson Show podcast, our two.

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I want to talk about never Trump for a moment as a segue into something else because, you know,

people don't realize it, but I actually was the person who made the popularize the term.

I can't say I originated.

Actually, here's what happened.

Back in 2016, I was actually on a train going from New York to Washington.

I was on a book tour.

And I just, I had enough. I was like, I was on a book tour.

And I just, I had enough. I was like, I can't support this guy. Character counts. I just, I'm not a Hillary person. I'll go third party. I won't vote. I don't, don't, I don't like any of this. I don't like all sides. And I wrote a piece and I'm never going to do it. And posted it at redstate.com where I was the editor.

And then said, actually, no, I guess I put it on my own site because I just retired from Red State.

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