This is like the Cuomo's where they're like, I will defend my brother, like,

bros before a hose, and also like, all like moral code.

Hi, and welcome to Normal Gossip. I'm Kelsey McKinney. In each episode of this podcast,

we're going to bring you an anonymous morsel of gossip from the real world. Today I have with

me Deelia Kai, who has like a hundred jobs. She's a senior correspondent at Vanity Fair,

joins a newsletter called Deeslinks, and she's a novel called Central Places coming out in the fall

of 2022. Hello, Deelia, welcome. Hi, Kelsey, thank you for having me. Thanks so much for being on.

What, how are you feeling? What's going on in your day? I'm good. I'm good. I'm on book leave,

so I've kind of just been at home living in my fantasy world inside my head, which is like half,

half the time it's really fun, and I feel like a little kid, you know, my parents' computer room,

and half the time I feel crazy, like the woman in the yellow wallpaper. I'm like, what is real?

You know, I've like lost all the grasp of reality. You're just touching some weird

divot on your wall, like, hmm, what could this have come from? I have this like shag rug,

and I was like laying down on it as like a quote, quote break, and I'm just like, this is not

this is nice. You know, writing a novel is kind of a, it's an artistic pursuit in some ways,

but when you like really think about it, it's like, oh, I just sat in my room for like eight hours

and made up a bunch of people and then made them like miserable. It makes it sound like a crazy

person. Yeah, it's like an intense like puzzle game and like maybe a form of like illness.

Yes, help us. Who can cure us? Well, luckily, you've been alone and bored, and we are here

to do some gossiping. Yes, like, can I wait? Let's just start off, let's talk about gossip a

little bit. Do you consider yourself a gossip? Oh, definitely. I think that's probably why I wanted

to go into media in the first place, which is like total inability to keep anything to myself.

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