This is Karen Hunter and welcome to the hub. Climate and Environmental Justice researcher, assistant professor at Occidental College,

Urban Environmental Policy Department there, fellow at Cornell University's

Worker Institute. Let me welcome my buddy Jamie J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J, J Meijin Cha. Welcome back.

It's so nice to see you, Karen.

How you do?

Your hair is growing. I guess that's COVID hair.

I have pandemic hair.

Pandemic hair. It's long. It's out there.

What has changed, you know, since the last time we talked,

because it's been a while and I haven't forgotten but we've been in the midst of like

Trump and racial injustice which seems to be constant and this is part of the racial injustice

the environment and how we're treating it, correct?

Absolutely. I think in a couple of ways, one is that, you know, the systems that cause racial oppression

are the same ones that are driving a climate crisis, right?

This over-exploitation of people, of resources, this is what is leading to the climate crisis.

And to say, you know, what has changed since the last time we've talked. I think what we see now is that we are in the midst of the climate change crisis. It's no longer something that will happen in five years to ten years. What we can anticipate is that it will get worse. I mean, is just the beginning so you can imagine how it will be every year

It's you know we have unprecedented everything is unprecedented and so we have to finally accept that this is just the way it is from now

This is just the way it is from now. This is just the way it will be.

I was talking yesterday with a doctor about COVID and we had a guy, Don Calloway, he said,

is it possible that COVID is never going away? And she said, it may not be a

pandemic, but it may be like the seasonal flu, but yes, it's probably never going away. The

wearing of mass will probably become a way of life.

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