There's always

always moments of doubt and fear that you're not going to make it that it's not going to be successful

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Welcome back guys to the podcast. This is episode 837 and you might be asking yourself

well if you're watching this if you're not you don't see me doing it I am holding these

two books the energy Energy Bus and the Carpenter, and they are

written by an amazing guy by the name of John Gordon, and today I have the privilege the honor to have him on the

podcast and you're about to listen to this interview but let me just tell you this

if you think that someone that has a book that is sold 2 million

copies had it easy well you'd be wrong because there's a lot of obstacles a lot of nose 30 nose on this book before he got a yes

What if he stopped? What if he never kept asking?

Well, he wouldn't have changed that many people's lives.

We're talking sports teams.

We're talking high-level companies have now hired him from this right here that was

declined that was denied by over 30 publishers all right now the other thing I

want you to be aware of here is John is not going to just tell you everything that worked

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