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The Take

Rwanda, M23, and the battle for DR Congo’s Goma

The Take

Al Jazeera

Daily News, News, News Commentary, Politics

4.7748 Ratings

🗓️ 30 January 2025

⏱️ 22 minutes

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Summary

Bodies are lining the streets of Goma, and hospitals are overwhelmed after an escalation in the long-simmering conflict in the Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC). The Rwandan-backed M23 group claims it took control of the city, and the DRC has called it a declaration of war by Rwanda. But why is Rwanda involved and what are its interests?

In this episode:

  • Kambale Musavuli (@kambale), Analyst, Center for Research on the Congo

Episode credits:

This episode was produced by Ashish Malhotra, Sonia Bhagat, and Chloe K. Li with Phillip Lanos, Spencer Cline, Hagir Saleh, Hanah Shokeir, Melanie Marich, Noor Wazwaz and our guest host, Kevin Hirten. 

Our sound designer is Alex Roldan. Our video editors are Hisham Abu Salah and Mohannad Al-Melhem. Alexandra Locke is The Take’s executive producer. Ney Alvarez is Al Jazeera’s head of audio. 

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Transcript

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0:00.0

Al Jazeera Podcasts.

0:07.0

Today, Eastern DRC's largest city is under siege as Rwandan-backed rebels close in.

0:17.0

Columns of M23's fighters enter the city of Goma, hours after the armed group said it had

0:23.7

taken control. M23 has declared the airspace of a Goma closed. In other words, we are trapped.

0:34.5

Why is Rwand involved and what does it want?

0:38.3

I'm Kevin Hurtan and this is the take.

0:46.3

My name is Kambalim Safuli. I am the spokesperson and a policy analyst with the Center for Research on

0:55.6

the Congo. I am Congolese, and I am currently in Akragan.

1:01.5

Kamali, it's great to have you on the take. I wonder if we can start by just locating this

1:06.9

conversation a bit. We're talking about Goma, which is the largest city in the east of the Democratic Republic

1:15.8

of Congo.

1:17.1

For someone who is hearing the name Goma for the first time, why is this city so significant

1:22.6

for the region and why is it being fought over so fiercely?

1:27.5

So Goma, as you pointed out, is the city in the eastern part of the DRC.

1:32.3

It's the capital city of North Kivu.

1:34.8

North Kivu is one of the province of the Congo, and Congo is right in the center of Africa.

1:40.0

So if you open the map of Africa, you put where, you see what the Congo is.

1:44.8

It straddles the equator and it's the size of Western Europe.

1:49.6

And it's strategically placed in a way where you can get to north, south, east, and west of Africa much faster.

1:56.7

And Goma is a capital city that's close to the eastern trade routes,

2:04.4

to shiftings toward Kenya, toward Tanzania, and so on,

2:09.3

to find its way to China or Japan or India even.

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