Russia's Cyber Attack: An Act of Espionage or War? Jeh Johnson's Perspective

GZERO World with Ian Bremmer

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🗓️ 9 January 2021

⏱️ 23 minutes

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Former US Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson spent years trying to protect the United States against the kind of massive cyber attack that Russia carried out against American businesses and government agencies in the last year. But at what point should we view such a breach as more than a remarkable feat of espionage? When does it constitute an act of war? Johnson joins Ian Bremmer to discuss.

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0:00.0	Very often nation states create for themselves some degree of separation with the bad actor so they can say,
0:09.0	it wasn't me. And in my personal experience in national security, I've had very, very senior officials of foreign governments, look me in the eye and lie to my face.
0:18.0	It wasn't me. It wasn't me. It was some other guy.
0:22.7	Hello and welcome to my face. It wasn't me. It wasn't me. It was some other guy. Hello and welcome to the GZero World Podcast. Here you'll find extended versions of
0:28.1	interviews from my show on public television. I'm Ian Bremmer. And today, we're taking a look
0:34.2	at a massive Russian cyber hack of U.S. companies and government agencies.
0:40.1	What does it say about America's preparedness for the realities of the 21st century?
0:45.6	Nothing good.
0:46.6	Was it business as usual for the spying game or an act of war?
0:51.2	I'm talking with former Homeland Security Secretary Jay Johnson. Let's get right to it.
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1:25.2	Jay Johnson, he was Secretary of Homeland Security under President Barack Obama.
1:30.0	Jay, thanks so much for joining me on GZero.
1:32.0	My pleasure, Ian.
1:33.8	Looking forward to our discussion.
1:35.3	I want to jump right in to this massive Russian breach into both the public and the private
1:43.2	sector.
1:47.4	Give us a little rundown, given your expert perch,
1:49.3	of what you think we've just seen.
1:51.7	Well, Ian, when I was at Homeland Security,
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