This is CBSI in the world. I'm John Dutch with Enantel Leven of the Quincy Institute for

Responsible Statecraft. My guide on the Ukraine conflict from the beginning, Enantel

spent many weeks in Ukraine moving between Zapparysia and Kiev and then back out to Europe.

And his conversations with Kiev also had to include the concern that there's a clock

running about support from America to NATO, NATO to Ukraine. And the first Republican

debate, not in specific, but in general, supported this doubt whether a Republican who is successful

in 24 selection will continue the flow of arms and money into Kiev that has been

true of the Biden administration. And Enantel, I don't want to quote individual actors

last night, but generally the sense was that Europe has to do more and that America has

problems elsewhere. Is this something that Kiev is paying attention to, needed pay attention

to, or is it regarded as political rhetoric in Kiev?

No, Kiev is certainly paying attention to this and is worried by it. Undoubtedly, the

Ukrainian government would prefer for Biden to win next year and to continue existing policies.

I mean, what the Republicans would do if they came to power is of course a very different

question. But as far as the election campaign is concerned, well, I think the Republicans

are in part facing a dilemma. They have to differentiate themselves from the Biden administration

on foreign policy. And given that the Biden administration is actually pursuing a very

tough foreign policy, it's difficult to do that. So, you know, the impetus is whether

sincere or not to really emphasize China, as the threat say, that the Biden administration

is not doing enough against China and that to this end commitments against Russia may

be reduced. This also of course plays into the old Republican hostility to foreign aid

because part of the, well, eight of foreign aid and B to, you know, European piggybacking

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