And then I started realizing, well, there's a lot of cults that are popping up, right?

Like Hollywood has a lot of cults, a lot of...

Was there a specific shift that happened in Hollywood where it went from like,

we're going to use James Bond, superhero, America's great, to like, no, we're going to start diving in some of this more occult imagery.

And his papers were about chemicals actually changing gender in men and women in the in the future.

We can do this.

A-listers who are immersed in Hollywood are spies.

Are verified spies for America.

Is that is that your mind having a chemical trip or do you think it's actually opening you up to a spirit realm?

I only ask for Alex Jones 1 because your connection.

I have a buddies whose daughter was at Sandy Hook when it happened.

And so hearing anyone say like this wasn't real when I know people directly connected,

I was like, man, this is, it's a bad look for, for anyone to be propagating this.

Bruce Lawn.

All right, ladies and gentlemen, I am with someone that is known to many as a Renaissance man.

I think he's a, he might be a savant with the amount of books and amount of study he's done.

We're talking about his new book, Esoteric Hollywood, number three. We got number two right here. This is going to be a fun podcast. Jay Dyer. Thanks for being here, man. Absolutely, man. Can you pull the mic up a little bit closer to you? Absolutely. Glad to be here. Glad that stoking some drama with you led to a podcast. We'll sure we'll get into that. Man, thanks for being here, bro. You were all the way from Nashville. We did. Yeah, we came from Tennessee. It was a long drive. So a lot of weird, interesting things in California. California's a weird place. Is it? Glad to be. It's more weird than Nashville. But Nashville's getting more and more weird. Because everyone's coming there from California. Exactly. Yeah, you're welcome.

So we're becoming California.

Man, I know you primarily from the debate stuff.

And I know you've done some other stuff that's kind of loosely connected to, I don't

use the word conspiracy, but I don't know how else to describe it, right?

And then you're like this onion where like I peeled away and I went deeper on some of your stuff and this esoteric Hollywood series is really interesting, which I want to get into. I'm a big film guy. You talk about Inception. You talk about some of my favorite movies. So I'm like really excited to talk to you about that. But before we get into that, for folks who don't know anything about Jay Dyer, give us a little background. Where are you from? Your story. Yeah, I'm from the Bible Belt. I grew up in Tennessee, small town, the middle of nowhere. But my dad entered the military. So we moved out here to San Diego. So I lived here for a lot of my youth. We moved back to Tennessee for high school. Okay. So in high school, I was a pretty

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