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A bit of a different thing going on this week.

You've been immature and you've lied.

And now you're trying to turn it on me and manipulate me and gaslight me.

I was trying to manipulate you.

Diana, you would be chucking their clothes out of the window.

I know, I'd be like, are you joking?

I don't know.

I guess you'd have to ask.

Someone that has sex.

Someone that has sex.

And remember, it's just between us.

Hello and welcome to Life of the Week,

where leading historians delve into the lives of some of history's most intriguing and significant figures.

From ancient Egyptian pharaohs and medieval warriors to daring 20th century spies.

Rudyard Kipling is beloved by many for children's books like The Jungle Book and Just So stories

and inspirational poems like If.

But he was also called the Bard of Empire and known for writing controversial poem The White Man's Burden.

For today's Life of the Week episode,

Professor Janet Montefiore tells Rebecca Franks more about the writer's life and contested

legacy. Welcome to the History Extra podcast. Thanks so much for joining me. In today's episode,

as part of our Life of the Week series, we're going to be turning the

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