Hi and welcome to Sabareseans malicious life I'm Ren Levy. A few months ago, we aired a two-part mini-series that for the first time in 10 years

told the real story behind the infamous breach that hit

RSA, a global leader in cyber security in 2011.

When a successful breach hits a company such as

RSA, that's not something that one can simply acknowledge and move on.

I mean when a bank gets hit or a hospital suffers a deadly ransomware attack.

These are serious events no doubt, but these organizations are not cyber security vendors.

That is to say their focus is somewhere else. Banks do money, hospitals

save lives, but companies like RSA are focused on security.

Security is what they do for a living.

They are THE experts in all caps.

And so when a company like RSA gets breached that says something important, something deeply fundamental

about the state of the industry.

The real question is then, what does it say exactly?

That is what are the industry-wide lessons we should learn from the RSA breach?

Or in other words, what are the implications of the

USA breach on the basic philosophy of cyber security. For that reason we brought

two of the best minds in security on our show today to talk and we, the industry as a whole should learn from the

lessons we, the industry as a whole, should learn from the

RSA breach, and how this breach might shape the way cybersecurity is done in the future.

Our guests today are Malcolm Harkins, previous Chief Security and Trust Officer at Intel,

and none other than Art Covalio, former chairman and CEO of

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