Hello, it's Chris Anderson here.

Today on TED Talks Daily, we're sharing an episode from my podcast, The TED Interview, that was

recorded live at TED 2019. I sat down with Roger McNamee. He's an early investor in Facebook,

and has since become one of that company's most outspoken critics. In this fraught moment in social media

history, we seek to understand what has gone wrong and how we should move forward. There were

some important voices in the audience, and you'll get to hear questions from them too. For more deep

dives into great minds, listen to the TED interview wherever you get your podcasts.

Roger McNamee, welcome to the TED interview.

What an honor.

Great to be here, Chris.

So just to summarize it, a little more than a decade ago, you met Mark Zuckerberg.

You persuaded him not to take a billion dollar offer or encouraged him not to.

You introduced him to Cheryl Sandberg

and urged him to hire her. You became an investor in Facebook and a passionate believer in the

company. You step back a bit from direct involvement as being a direct advisor to Mark and watched.

And then this spring you came out with a book and the title of the book was not

my brilliant friend Mark Zuckerberg. It was Zucked, waking up to the Facebook catastrophe.

I mean at first glance, that seems like a pretty major betrayal. And your contention is that

it's not you who did the betraying.

Well, here's what I believe, and I think I can always be criticized.

But when I met Mark, he was 22.

I thought he was different from the other entrepreneurs of that era.

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