Welcome to Wheels Off, a show about the messy reality of the creative life.

I'm Rhett Miller.

Robert Ellis has it going on.

He is funny.

He is savvy.

He is talented beyond all measure.

He can play all sorts of instruments, like tons of different instruments. He can compose for string sections and orchestras. He can produce albums. He can write songs. He can

stand up on stages and perform those songs. He has one of the funniest senses of,

of humor of anyone I know.

And it turns out he's actually like a really kind of sweet,

sensitive guy on top of it all.

And he's super good looking.

Bastard.

He's just, he is an embarrassment of riches.

But he's also a real human being. You know, he's like a sensitive, artistic type. And he does a great

job in the conversation you're about to hear of just letting you in,

letting you see sort of behind the facade, if there is a facade,

you know, letting you know, into the inner workings of Robert Ellis.

He's an old friend of mine, but he's somebody that I felt like I learned a lot in the

course of this conversation. I'm so glad I got to interview him. And, man, I miss having

these conversations in real life, but it's really great to be able to talk to an old friend

even via Zoom, even for a podcast.

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