Today on The Lost Debate Show, we'll discuss climate protests and what exactly makes them effective or ineffective.

The rise of outsider political candidates like Vivek and RFK Jr. in 2024.

And news that Mitt Romney is retiring and are mounting gerontocracy in this country.

And all of that and more on this episode of The Lost Debate, the show for

Political Eclastics. I'm joined by Isaac Saul, who writes the Tangle Newsletter, and I'm sure

that many of our listeners remember him from co-hosting with Robbie. So thanks so much for being

here. Welcome to the show.

Yeah. Thanks, Ricky. I'm glad to be here. So I think a great place to dig in is this news from, I guess, last week now that Mitt Romney is retiring.

He does not plan to run for re-election. He was the 2012 candidate for president and obviously soared really high but now at 76 is deciding

that it's time to bow out and suggested that Trump at 77 and Biden at 80 do the same. So I know that

you've written about this issue recently and what do you what do you make of this news and

whether people will actually follow Romney's lead?

Yeah. Well, I mean, first of all, it's kind of remarkable that this is a story.

You know, a 76-year-old senator slash former governor, former presidential candidate retiring,

should be normal. I mean, what Mitt Romney's doing should be the norm. He's like looking around,

he's got 25 grandchildren or something. He's made a good career. He's had his time in the Senate

serving as, you know, a former governor of Massachusetts, took a couple of runs that being president,

didn't work out. And it's like, all right, it's time to

hang it up. I'm 76. I'm going to go, you know, enjoy the rest of my life in retirement with my

wife and my grandkids. And I think that's a really normal sane thing for any American working person

to do. What's kind of nuts is that it's not normal at all.

I mean, especially in the last 20 years,

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