Hi, this is William Ramsey. Welcome to William Ramsey Investigates on Tonight Show of a very special guest.

He published a book back in March 2020. The title of the book is Richard Roar and the Enneagram Secret.

And his name is Don by now, V-E-I-N-O-T. And he's also published another book in his past, A Matter of Basic Principles, Bill Gothard and the Christian Life in 2003.

But he and his wife's Joy are co-founders, and he is the president of Midwest Christian Outreach, Inc. MCOI, and it's a mission to cults and non-Christian religions based in Wonder Lake Illinois.

And he has been involved in

discernment discernment ministry as missionaries to new religious movements since

1987 so we're delighted to have him again his name is Don by now Don are you

there well you're only delighted to have me at this point it could change as the

program goes on.

Hopefully it'll go well.

For people who may not know your background, can you talk a little bit about your background

and how you became involved in this book titled Richard Rohr and the Enneagram Secret?

Absolutely.

I did not grow up in the church. My father was an atheist. I adopted

his belief system or lack of belief system, as it were. Didn't have much experience with church.

Some of my friends went occasionally, but met a young lady at one point in my teen years who had

been raising a Christian home.

She shouldn't have dated me.

She did.

She shouldn't have married me for sure.

And she did.

And after we had my son, she began re-questioning her faith, which then led her to ask me to look as a material.

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