on this episode of skeptico

a show about liars

yeah well yeah

i mean of course he is if anybody knows what counterintelligence is it's not just about

lying to get information it's a chess game and he says he hates to lose or maybe it's a chess game. And he says he hates to lose.

Or maybe it's a show about truth tellers.

What is true. And I'm actually being serious here is that there are, there's footage

and records of objects in the skies that we don't know exactly what they are.

Stick around my inside baseball deep dive into UFOs with my excellent guest, Rich Giordano, is coming up next on Skeptico.

Welcome to Skeptico where we explore controversial science and spirituality with leading

researchers, thinkers, and their critics. I'm your host Alex Akaris and today we welcome

Rich Giordano to Skeptico. Rich is the creator of Gufan.

Let me read this, the most original and entertaining show

in its field of research, a show that mixes the good,

the bad of both the paranormal community

and the UFO field.

And I know all that is true, because Rich wrote it on his Patreon page.

So I did.

But he is great. Great. Great. I'm super excited about this show. I think that it's going to be a fun one.

Rich does offer a unique perspective. He's one of these guys who does kind of like me follow

the data where he thinks it needs to go and he's pretty unedited unreserved in terms of what he

thinks that means but i appreciate that and i appreciate what i sense sense is just a deep pursuit of the truth and

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