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🗓️ 21 June 2023
⏱️ 67 minutes
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Presidential candidate Robert F Kennedy Jr blew up the internet when he pushed anti-vaccine claims on Joe Rogan’s show. It’s déjà vu all over again for Josh, who had his own little vax run-in with Rogan last year. Should scientists and medical researchers do a better job of engaging with alternative media? America’s leading skeptic, Michael Shermer, thinks so. He and Josh hash it out.
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0:00.0 | Gooday, humans, welcome to safe space for dangerous ideas and, uh, whoo, who nelly. |
0:09.0 | This is deja vu all over again for yours truly. Uh, the visage of Joe Rogan in mind arguing about vaccines. |
0:19.0 | Uh, feels a little close to the bone for me. |
0:21.8 | Last year, I was on Joe's show for the seventh time, and we got into a little debate |
0:26.8 | about the safety of COVID vaccines, and now we see that tiny, tiny, tiny little tidbit |
0:34.1 | of an inkling of a hint of a sliver of a thing turn into its fully fledged |
0:39.8 | and most gigantic Godzilla v. King Kong style battle. |
0:47.6 | What's going on is that RFK Jr., the nephew of President JFK, son of of Bobby Kennedy has always been an anti-vaxxer. I think you can use that term with him. This is not someone who has a reasonable and measured level of hesitation towards a very new vaccine in the throes of a pandemic. This is a man who has been consistent for decades about in his belief, |
1:14.1 | his unfounded belief that all vaccines do all kinds of horrendous things. Not just vaccines. |
1:20.7 | You know, 5G waves, mobile phones, frying your brain, all of that kind of kooky, granola, sort of northern California, |
1:29.7 | northern New South Wales, depending on what country you're in, hippie-dippy, liby-divy, |
1:33.9 | bullshit crystal dangling astrology stuff. He's a, you know, he loves it. He loves it. I've |
1:39.5 | interviewed the guy on Huff Post Live, lovely guy, delightful gentleman. And of course, a titan of American |
1:46.2 | politics just in terms of the dynasty that he comes from. You kind of have to take this guy seriously, |
1:50.7 | which I think is why some of the brouhaha has erupted over whether or not we should, quote |
1:56.4 | unquote, platform people with beliefs that we disagree with and beliefs that can really be shown |
2:01.9 | using the scientific method and reason to be largely wrong. |
2:07.2 | You kind of have to platform a guy when his uncle was the president of the United States |
2:11.6 | and he's polling 15%, which is not a bad number in Democratic primaries, against an incumbent Democratic |
2:18.0 | president. So RFK Jr. is running for president, and he goes on Joe Rogan's show. I'll give you |
2:23.7 | the background here, just in case you've either been living under a rock or like me, are just too |
2:27.6 | busy to keep track of all the ins and outs. Like, what the hell, Rogan and vaccines and RFK, what's |
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