And what's interesting about meetings and information is that we can't really have that workflow without having a healthy approach to those spaces.

So if we have most of our day spent in meetings, first of all we're not doing the work unless the work is happening in the meeting, which is rare.

And the meetings themselves are often trying to kind of, you know, comply, control, route, manage that work in a way that slows it down.

And so it's about, oh, I got to wait for this meeting to get permission.

I got to wait for this meeting to do a review with my boss, to pitch what's going on. I have to do a lot of meetings to prepare for meetings because God forbid I look vulnerable or stupid or like I don't know the answer in a meeting. So I'm going to have five meetings to prepare for the meeting with my boss

where I'm just supposed to show him work in progress. I mean I see this stuff all the time I'm not

exaggerating at all I have I had a client a couple years ago where the average time in

meetings per week for the executive team

was 45 hours a week. And so 45 hours a week in a meeting. Yeah, that was through lunch every day. And it was, you know know all this politicking and one-on-oneing and

group meetings that you know were not properly facilitated etc. So one of the

things that we advocate for is really you really a meeting moratorium right kill all the

meetings figure out where it hurts what are you missing that you don't have and

then slowly rebuild that with with you know consent from everyone involved and with deliberate kind of

practice so if we're going to rebuild Monday's status meeting let's build the

best damn status meeting in existence what are the what do people know out there what are the emergent practices what are the stamp 15 other things because one meeting held well will replace five meetings held terribly.

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