Here Be Monsters is a show that invites you to explore fear and the unknown.

I saw her face change. I saw her see where I'd pulled my hair out.

Psychological warfare was always considered kind of an oddity, something done by freaks.

On the count of three, we're literally going to step out of our body.

Step out.

You can find Here Be Monsters Now at KCRW.com or wherever you get your podcasts.

From KCRW and KCRW.com, I'm Kim Masters and this is the business.

I was just intensely curious to test the system, to test what happens.

If you make a show and don't ask anybody to come see it, you just tell them it's there.

And don't even tell everybody.

When comedian Lewis C.K. made his series, Horace & Pete, he kept it entirely secret.

No leaks, no advertising. Once he

was ready to launch the drama about a family that runs a Brooklyn bar, he just emailed

fans. Today, we're revisiting our conversation with Lewis C.K. He tells us why he financed Horace

and Pete, which now has a couple of Emmy nominations, and put it online only, even though he's trying

to stay off the internet himself. But first on an all-new news banter, summer ends, and God help us,

award season begins. Stay tuned. It's the business from KCRW.

I am joined by my partner in banter. Matt Bellany of the Hollywood reporter. Hello, Matt.

Happy Labor Day. Same to you. So with Labor Day, traditionally a very weak movie going period. People are concerned with back to school and other things, so they don't go to the movie so much. The summer is over. And it has been like the rich man's feast and the poor person's not so lucky. Disney has made out like a bandit with huge hits

like Captain America Civil War and finding Dory two sequels that definitely worked. A lot of other studios

got kind of murdered out there trying to kind of manufacture audience enthusiasm or get their

attention at least with, you know, franchises or want-to-be franchises that are not, there's just

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