From KCRW, I'm Kim Masters, and this is the business.

We moved production offices three times.

We took everything that we were doing offline,

and we're doing all of our editing between hard drives.

And I began to understand more and more how serious this was

and essentially where it went to,

that there wasn't much separation between Gregory and Putin.

Ryan Fogel's plan was to make a documentary about pervasive doping and cycling by becoming a human guinea pig to see whether he could dope and evade detection.

He recruited chemist Gregory Rodchenkov in Moscow to guide him, and then the plot thickened.

Rodchenkoff was revealed as the architect of Russia's massive state-run doping program.

When that became public, Rodchenko feared he was not safe in Russia, apparently with good reason.

Fogel helped him flee, and then he helped Rodchenkoff blow the whistle on Russia.

Thanks to Rothchenkoff's disclosures, Russia was banned from the upcoming Winter Olympics.

Today, we're revisiting our conversation with Fogel about his film, Icarus, now shortlisted for an Oscar nomination.

But first on the news banter, the fight to make Me Too more than just a moment.

Stick around. It's the business from KCRW.

I'm joined by my colleague in banter, Matt Bellany of the Hollywood Reporter.

Hello, Matt.

Happy New Year.

Happy New Year to you.

There's so much going on.

I have this desire to talk about our colleague, Michael Wolf's book, because, you know, it's just devoured the news. Have you heard about a book? I heard about a book. And it is excerpted in part in several places, but also in the Hollywood Reporter. But that is not our bailiwick right now. We're going to talk about show business

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