Revising History, One Monument at a Time
Notes from America with Kai Wright
WNYC Studios
4.4 • 1.5K Ratings
🗓️ 13 March 2023
⏱️ 32 minutes
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Summary
Artist Michelle Browder lives in a city that is increasingly being altered by monumental works…including one she created herself.
More than 30 years ago, as an 18-year-old art student in Atlanta, Michelle Browder came across a work of art that haunted her. The picture was meant as a tribute to Dr. J. Marion Sims, a 19th century doctor long known as the 'Father of Gynecology.’ His discoveries, only made possible by his experimentation on enslaved women, endowed his legacy in U.S. history, yet erased the victims of this research. Armed with this knowledge, she set out to create a monument in Montgomery, Alabama, where a statue of Sims still stands in front of the state capitol building.
Michelle Browder joins the show to share the story behind her creation called “the Mothers of Gynecology,” in tribute to Anarcha, Lucy & Betsey, three of Dr. Sims’ victims.
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| 0:00.0 | Why are monuments important, what is important to you about having a physical representation |
| 0:07.7 | of history? |
| 0:08.7 | I don't really see too much importance in monuments, just because American history isn't |
| 0:13.7 | like the best history, but they're pretty to look at. |
| 0:16.5 | I think it's important to just give people a piece of history so they can read and understand |
| 0:21.2 | things that happened before they were here. |
| 0:22.7 | I feel like a lot of people try to sweep things under the rug, especially if it was something |
| 0:28.2 | not so positive. |
| 0:30.0 | So I feel like having a physical representation of that is set in stone, literally. |
| 0:34.8 | I think having a physical symbol of freedom and liberty is super important, but also having |
| 0:40.0 | a symbol that represents both the good parts and the bad parts of our own history. |
| 0:44.0 | If we are very conscious and aware of our history, we're able to make sure that the negative |
| 0:48.4 | parts don't repeat. |
| 0:58.2 | It's Snotes from America, I'm Kai Wright, welcome to the show. |
| 1:18.7 | Think about your city or even your neighborhood. |
| 1:21.7 | Is it home to a monument that's just so iconic, it's impossible to visualize the space |
| 1:27.7 | without like seeing that work? |
| 1:30.0 | I grew up in Indianapolis, Indiana, and there's this massive neoclassical obelisk called |
| 1:35.3 | the Soldiers and Sailors monument right in the middle of downtown. |
| 1:39.5 | And it's such a deep part of the city's life that as a kid, it just sort of kind of disappeared |
| 1:43.9 | into my subconscious, became a meeting place, a directional landmark, a Christmas tree in |
| 1:49.6 | the winter, a backdrop for graduation photos in the spring, monuments, these structures |
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