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And today on the pod, Allison Herman joined me to talk a little bit about the first four episodes

of maniac and about maniac in general.

Now, Zach Barron was on last week and we talked about Kerry Fukunaga, him taking over

the bond franchise and we talked a little bit about maniac.

But I actually don't just seen the first episode and I wanted to get a little bit more

deeply into it because by four episodes, you kind of have a sense of the rhythm of this

show.

And you know, it's interesting.

And just as Allison was walking out of the office, we were talking about how many divisive

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