Hello, folks, this is Risk, the show where people tell true stories.

They never thought they dare to share.

I'm Kevin Allison, and by the time this episode comes out, I will be well into my move to Thailand.

So I'm pre-recording this from the distant past in my New York apartment where I no longer have very much furniture.

So what a time of transitions. But in this episode, we're revisiting a story

by Scott Whitney that he told on risk back in 2013, plus a conversation that he and I

had about the story this year in 2025.

Now, if you're hearing this on our podcast feed and you want to watch the episode instead, there's a link to that in the show notes.

But all of our audio podcast going back 16 years are at risk dash show.com or anywhere

you get your podcast. Now, there is a mention of a suicide attempt in this story and some

discussion of cult-like systems. So be warned about that.

But because this story is all about beliefs, which can change over time, it was fascinating

to check back in with Scott all these years later after he heard the story this time in 2025.

So a quick break, and when we come back, Scott Whitney and I will revisit and review

Revelations. We'll be right back. We're back.

Hey, folks, I'm here with Scott Whitney, who I haven't seen since 2013 when the story we're about to hear was first recorded.

It's great to see you again, Scott.

Great to see you, Kevin.

It's a changed world since we last saw each other. And we're changed people, I imagine.

Yes, indeed.

We first met in a workshop.

It was an in-person workshop.

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