Welcome back, Zen Parenting Radio, podcast number 99 or 100. We haven't quite figured that out yet.

99, you said, I think. Well, it depends on when we push this. So it might be on tomorrow, might be on the week from tomorrow. But we are delighted because today is our very first guest we've ever had. We've had, we've done almost

a hundred shows, and we have had a few occasions, a few invitations to have different authors

on to promote themselves, but Kathy, you and I are just so darn selfish. We don't want to give

the mic time to anybody other than each other. Well, we just like our banter. We just like our

back and forth. We're very addicted to it. So, but I want to start with than each other. Well, we just like our banter. We just like our back and forth.

We're very addicted to it.

So, but I want to start with you, Kathy, just so you can kind of say who we have on

and how we got this person on.

Well, today we have on the fantastic Reverend Ed Bacon, and I feel so honored that he's

on the show for many reasons. Number one, because years ago,

I don't even remember how many years, Todd, do you? Two? I don't know. Two or three.

Well, regardless, we heard Ed on a Oprah Soul Series. It's a, she does a, she has a radio show for any of

you guys that don't know called Soul Series on her XM station. And I listen to it probably on a daily basis.

I love it.

But the first time that I heard Reverend Bacon, I felt such a connection because I was raised

in a Christian church.

I was raised Methodist.

And even though that's something that I still feel very connected to, I also

was embracing other things, other ideas, other ways of connecting to love, other ways of feeling

connected to spirit and soul. And here was a reverence saying, that's a great thing to do.

And I rarely heard that. I pretty much heard the opposite. And so then you started watching also or listening.

...