The concept of retirement doesn't appeal to Pastor Tom Elleth.

And I would say that we never had a, quote, come 65, we're going to kick back and quit doing it.

We never had that mentality.

We've had enough friends who've had that, and a year or so later become very disgusted with life or themselves or that never was appealing to us at all.

This is Revive Our Hearts with Nancy Lee DeMoss for Monday, July 20th.

We're talking this week with Tom and Jeannie Elif.

Tom has been a pastor for many years.

They've been married for 40 years,

and we're talking about some of the things God has taught them as a couple about godly marriage, a marriage that can go the distance.

And I know from many of the letters and emails that we receive at revive our hearts, there are a lot of women who want to have the kind of marriage God wants them to have.

But there's a lot of disorientation, a lot of confusion, a lot of blame and recrimination and struggling, just two human beings trying to survive on the same planet.

Some of this goes back to the Garden of Eden, I guess.

But Tom and Jeannie, God has given you both such a love for His Word and a gift for ministering God's grace to people in need.

And I want us to just be able to learn from your lives.

And Tom, before we started this session, I said, I'd like to just ask you as a husband,

because we don't have a lot of men

and revive our hearts, and we welcome them when they do come on.

But it's a blessing for us sometimes to be able to hear from a man, a man's perspective

on us as women.

And any things that you could share with us out of your own marriage or your observation as a pastor

of what blesses a man in a woman what qualities in a woman what things in your own marriage

or that you've seen in others what counsel encouragement exhortation as a pastor and husband

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