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Why Is This Happening? The Chris Hayes Podcast

Rethinking Identity with Kwame Anthony Appiah

Why Is This Happening? The Chris Hayes Podcast

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News, Nbcnews, Why Is This Happening?, The Chris Hayes Podcast, Chris Hayes, Politics, Government, Society & Culture, Msnbc, Withpod

4.68.9K Ratings

🗓️ 12 March 2019

⏱️ 56 minutes

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Summary

There’s a reason we keep revisiting identity on WITHpod. From Brittney Cooper to Alex Wagner to Michael Tesler to Amy Chua and on, it’s a topic worth circling back to because it’s one of the most fundamental axes of conflict in our society today. Identities themselves are as old as we as a species are, but the concept of identity is relatively recent. Our ideas of identities are shifting and changing the more we learn about others. And sometimes, it can take full on social movements, protests, riots and bloodshed for new identities to become part of the conversation. Why is that? What do we mean when we say something is an "identity", or talk about "identity politics"? We take a step back with Kwame Anthony Appiah to examine the origins of the identities we use to define ourselves – and why it might be time to rethink our ideas of who we are. Email us at [email protected] Tweet using #WITHpod Read more at nbcnews.com/whyisthishappening RELATED READING: The Lies That Bind: Rethinking Identity by Kwame Anthony Appiah YOU MIGHT ALSO LIKE: The Personal is Political with Brittney Cooper (May 15) Political Tribalism with Amy Chua (June 12) Futureface with Alex Wagner (July 17) White Identity Politics with Michael Tesler (Oct 30)

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The task is to make a world that works for everybody, and that means everybody has to be willing to give something up.

0:08.0

It's true, however, and this is a point that Frederick Douglass made in the 19th century.

0:14.0

Mostly these things don't get conceded without a fight.

0:20.0

Hello, and welcome to Wise is Happening with me, your host, Chris Hayes.

0:25.0

Well, listen, I don't know when you will be listening to this.

0:28.0

So I always try not to peg these intros too tightly to the news of the week.

0:34.0

We want these to endure forever.

0:36.0

We want them to be found by the future alien civilization that comes and conkers and inhabits are desiccated earth after we rendered the planet unenhabitable.

0:47.0

We subject of our last with pod.

0:50.0

But if you are listening to this, this week there was a big contra temps in Washington over comments made by Ilhan Omar, freshman representative from Minnesota, one of two Muslim women who served the United States Congress, the first two Muslim women, also a refugee for Somalia by way of Kenya, about Israel and sort of the forces that lobby on behalf of the US Israel relationship.

1:15.0

And the allegiance they demand in her words.

1:20.0

And those comments were criticized for playing into anti-Semitic myths about dual loyalty and Jewish control, which have been longstanding through millennia really for members of the Jewish diaspora in various countries and civilizations throughout time.

1:36.0

And then there was a big debate about the backlash to her and how disproportionate it seemed.

1:41.0

And one of the things I kept noticing it was just there are these kinds of issues that will come through the news.

1:46.0

The last one that was like this was the again, if you're reading, if you're listening to the future, you're going to be like, what are you talking about?

1:52.0

But the last one of these was the Covington Catholic schoolboys, those were the the Catholic schoolboys in Maga hats, who were on the national mall and then Native American elder was there.

2:04.0

For a protest bang on a drum and there was an encounter, there were also black Israelites thrown in.

2:10.0

It was really and that also had all kinds of controversy and people weighing in in all different directions.

2:17.0

And what was sort of similar about both of those controversies, not in what the actual substance is, which I'm talking around for a purpose here, is the way that they just grab something visceral and deep in people that made them want to talk about it and fight about it.

2:32.0

Like there's all kind of political issues that have things that happen in the news.

2:36.0

And then there's these certain things that you see and you see it when you do my job, which is to process the news all every day along with our staff, you know, reading Twitter, reading the internet, going through our notes.

2:48.0

There are these stories that just like they blow up, they get people's cheeks flush. They have people arguing in bars and over the dinner table.

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