Restorative Justice and the Open Prison Model: Featuring David Shipley (A Co-Production by The Appeal and The Wall: Behind and Beyond)

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🗓️ 7 June 2023

⏱️ 46 minutes

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Summary

Since you last heard from us at Justice in America, we’re excited to share that The Appeal became a worker-led nonprofit newsroom. We are continuing to expose the harms of the criminal legal system and elevate solutions that keep all people safe.

While Justice in America remains on hiatus for now, we are thrilled to share our first podcast episode since our relaunch: a co-produced episode of "The Wall: Behind and Beyond," hosted by Phillip A. Jones, who has spent more than 30 years in prison in Maryland and Washington.

In this episode, Phillip interviews David Shipley about his experiences in a British "open prison," where there are no guards, no bars, and prisoners are free to leave during the day to work or study in the community. As David says, "It's the most free you can be while still being in prison." Phillip and David discuss the promises and limitations of this model, as well as the challenges in implementing a similar model in the United States. Please note: The this audio was recorded by Philip while in his cell as the Washington Department of Corrections does not provide prisoners with access to high-quality studios.

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You can also follow Phillip (@PhillipAJones71) and David (@ShipleyWrites) on Twitter and subscribe to The Wall: Behind and Beyond podcast to hear more of their work.

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0:00.0	Welcome to an exciting cross-stream edition of the War Behind and Beyond in collaboration
0:26.8	with the Appeal. I am your host Philip H. Jones and I am very pleased to introduce my guest
0:32.7	today, David Shipley. David and I will be discussing the differences between the prison
0:38.1	complex here in the United States and the open prison model of the United Kingdom
0:43.6	in an effort to provide an alternate perspective on the idea of restored and justice programs.
0:49.9	However, before we get to that, I want to welcome David to the show. How are you my friend?
0:55.3	I've been looking forward to speaking with you about this most important subject.
0:58.6	Hi, it's Benadier. Thanks, Clay. Thanks, I'm good, and I'm really looking forward to this as well.
1:05.2	Can you tell us a little bit about yourself before we start? Sort of an introduction, sort of speak?
1:12.6	Sure. I used to work in the best banking, but in 2014, I committed a fraud. I lied to some
1:23.4	investors and it would be a raise in money to start the business. Subsequently, I was, if you
1:31.4	got a police charge and imprisoned for 45 months, going to prison in 2020, when I spent
1:39.9	about half of my time in prison in a traditional, closed prison in the UK, and then the last
1:47.9	sort of 9 or 10 months in an open prison, which is mostly what I'm talking about today.
1:53.0	And these days, I am paying on prison reform. I talk about some rights about prison reform,
1:59.0	and I am beginning a doctrine of the effects of parental imprisonment on the children of prisoners.
2:06.1	Thank you so much. I love that, man. You're doing some great work, and I hope that we can continue
2:14.8	after this to work together on this most important subject. Before we get started, let me give
2:21.4	our UK audience some insight as to who I am and how I came to do the work that I've been
2:27.2	doing now for the last several years. First off, I'm currently incarcerated myself. I came
2:33.6	to prison at the age of 19, and I've spent the last nearly 33 years of a license inside.
2:40.6	I was convicted of attempted murder one and two, conspiracy to commit murder and hang on violations.
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