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And if so, how should we push back now that we seem to be at a particular moment in American culture

where the tide appears to be, at least in part, turning.

What is the future of the pro-life movement with this moment?

And how do we return to what some have called ordered liberty?

Welcome back to Issues, Etc. I'm Todd Wilkin.

Joining us to talk about reshaping American life, Dr. Kevin Roberts.

He's president of the Heritage Foundation and author of the new book, Dawn's Early Light,

taking back Washington to save America.

Dr. Roberts, welcome.

Thanks so much for having me, Todd.

It's real pleasure.

What do you make of all the media attention given to the Heritage Foundation's Project

2025 recently?

Well, I think you only catch flack when you're over the target. And because the campaign that was

so focused on our project, I think they spent $75 million on it, which is far more than what

we spent putting it together, couldn't run on their own record. They had to find some boogeyman,

and maybe for a few weeks they succeeded in doing that. But we're very gratified in hindsight that

it didn't work. The American people came through, and they understood, here it is this campaign

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