Welcome back to the Ransom TARP podcast. This is John Eldridge and Craig McConnell and what do you

crack it up about?

I crack it up as we walk in the studio. We have no idea what we're going to talk about turn on the

mic saying I'm sitting here going I don't know where he's going I mean we say

this is unscripted I don't know people believe how unscripted we were

fishing years ago oh my goodness this is 20 years ago Craig and I and we were in the Sierra on the middle fork of the

Samuocaine and we were trying to hike into a new section of the river and we walked

up to the edge of a of a fairly steep precipice, do you recall this story?

Go on.

And you were slightly ahead of me and we'd never been in this part of the canyon before and didn't know what to expect, thought we were going to just get a nice little footpath down to the river and we're kind of

of bushwhacking and all of a sudden we're looking at this deep kind of shale slope down.

There's the river down there and and well I just jumped off the edge

and started flying down the

down the embankment kind of bare grill style and

that is how I approach podcast.

I'm still up on the side trying to find a safe way down.

Assessed the options.

Let me see.

Okay, so last time we were talking about how do you know what's, was it counseling, is it warfare,

how do you navigate these pieces?

Is it holiness?

Is it discipline?

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