Hey guys, it's Kayla. Candace isn't able to join us today, but we are all still so

directionally challenged. We thought we'd have it all figured out by the time we were

in our 30s. But surprise, we don't. And that's okay. We're having a fascinating conversation

today about women without kids. Today, I'm going to sit down with Ruby Wearrington. She is an

author and a podcaster. She has had 20 plus years of experience as a lifestyle journalist

and editor. She is known as an astute cultural commentator and true thought leader and

provoked. Her new book, Women Without Kids, is out in March. And it is truly one of the

most fascinating reads I have had yet to date. I am so excited for our conversation with

her. So without further ado, here's my conversation with Ruby Wearrington. And I am here with

Ruby Wearrington Ruby. I am so happy that you're back on our podcast. Thanks for having me.

You're such a lovely guest. We love having you on. And this time to talk about something

truly fascinating. Before we started recording this, I just said to Ruby how moved I am by

the book she wrote. And this conversation is one we have not had on the podcast. So let's

just jump right in because there's so much so many fascinating things we're going to

discuss. I want to start with talking about how you write about being a woman and how

it is so synonymous with being a mother. And your entire life, you didn't have that

maternal instinct. You just didn't want to have kids. And it really is as simple as that,

except it's not because society expects that if you have a womb, you should want to have

kids. You begin, I mean, I don't even want to say research because I feel like there's

so much deeper than that. You investigate this. And through your findings, you started

to ask the question, why don't I want to have kids? And it became why am I expected to

have kids? It made you ask what is woman, if not mother, so much so that you felt like

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