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🗓️ 3 August 2025
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0:00.0 | We have to get back into the business of public persuasion. |
0:04.1 | And that means being willing and able to meet people where they are. |
0:07.8 | It doesn't mean always fighting fights in ways that feel viscerally comforting to ourselves as scared as we may be. |
0:15.8 | Hello, hello, and welcome to the conversation. |
0:18.6 | Every week on this show, I invite one of the most compelling |
0:21.8 | and sometimes unexpected power players in for a chat to find out how they're navigating |
0:27.8 | and shaping this incredible era of American politics. This week was another big one. We had President |
0:34.4 | Trump over in Scotland negotiating trade deals. We had more fallout from the |
0:39.2 | Epstein saga and the humanitarian crisis in Gaza really took over the conversation in Washington |
0:45.6 | and the country really in the world because it has reached new levels to the point where even |
0:50.9 | President Trump, who has touted a strong relationship and a lot of support for Israel, |
0:55.5 | has started to break with Netanyahu. |
0:58.2 | And it is starting to split the Republican Party a little bit. |
1:01.6 | It had already been splitting Democrats over the course of the 2024 election cycle. |
1:06.3 | We saw that firsthand. |
1:07.9 | And my guess this week is a perfect person to talk about this and so much more. |
1:12.4 | Congresswoman Sarah McBride joins the conversation this week. She's a Democrat from Delaware. |
1:17.5 | She sits on the House Foreign Affairs Committee. So she's got a lot to say about Israel, Gaza. |
1:21.6 | But she also has a lot to say about the future of her own party, what she thinks Democrats have |
1:27.4 | gotten wrong and the |
1:28.3 | path forward that she sees. I also wanted to talk to her about her time in Congress so far. |
1:33.7 | She's a freshman. She just started in this role in January. She's the first out transgender person |
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