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Elizabeth Camarillo-Gutierrez has the type of life story that makes you think, how did she do it?

She was born in Arizona to Mexican parents, the family moved during her early years before returning to the United States.

When her parents' tourist visas expired, they returned to Mexico to reapply. Only then, their paperwork wasn't granted.

15-year-old Elizabeth persuaded her parents to allow her to stay in the U.S. to finish her education.

And to do that, she endured a period of housing insecurity and food insecurity before graduating

valedictorian of her high school class and going on to attend the University of Pennsylvania.

If that all sounds too simple and too neat, don't worry.

Elizabeth is invested in complicating the good immigrant narrative.

And she's telling her story in her beautiful memoir,

My Side of the River.

Elizabeth, thank you so much for being here.

Thanks so much for having me.

So often when we hear stories of parents and children being separated in the interior of the country, it's the story that we hear, for example, from Diane Guerrero, which is she goes off to school, ICE agents show up at her home.

The next thing she knows, mom and dad are gone.

For you, that story is different.

Your parents were on tourist visas.

2011, those tourist visas expire.

And so you as a family actually get to have a conversation.

Granted, it's really parents telling children.

What do you remember about that

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