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That's audible.com slash Wondery UK. Hey, everyone, Patrick here with another round of Summer Game Fest interviews.

You listened to four interviews last week.

And hey, symmetry.

Four interviews this week.

I wasn't planning it that way.

It just sort of worked itself out that way.

Summer Game Fest is a kind of a strange event to book for. There's not much to do if you don't have

somewhere to be. You can walk around. You can get a coffee, but this isn't, when you go to like old

school E3 or if you've ever been to a Pax or there's like stuff to do, uh, like, hey, I'm in

between appointments. Oh, I see there's like some kiosk with some

upcoming games. Like, I'll sit there. I'll, I'll check those out and get some thoughts and

feelings on these games. No, like you can sit over the shoulder and watch some games. But you

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