Welcome to Think Biblically. Conversations on Faith and Culture.

It's a podcast from Talbot School of Theology here at Biola University.

I'm your host Scott Ray, Dean of Faculty and Professor of Christian Ethics.

And I'm your co-host Sean McDowell Professor of Apologetics.

We have the opportunity to have a dear trusted faculty colleague with us who's done some groundbreaking research on the whole notion of

spirituality and how best to pursue spirituality in a way that's actually transformative and not just sort of repeating what we've been doing in the past.

Professor Todd Hall is with us, he's professor of psychology at violas Rosemead School of Psychology.

He and his wife Liz have written this really

terrific book that we want to recommend to called Relational Spirituality

where he blends psychology, neuroscience, theology,

biblical studies, all together really nicely

into I think a new and different view of spirituality

that we desperately need to hear about today.

So Todd, so grateful to have you with us and tell Liz too,

we're grateful for her contribution to this as well.

So thanks for being with us and tell us first of all what

do you mean by the term relational spirituality and is it is that really something new?

Because I thought spirituality was all about a relationship to Jesus,

but you're saying it's a whole lot more than that.

Yes, yes.

Well, first of all, thanks, Scott.

It's so great to be with you and Sean really appreciate this opportunity.

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