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Playing a game, especially Katan, makes you get to know that person much more than endless hours

of just conversing because it brings out the real

nature.

This week on Masters of Scale, I talk with Ben and Gido Toyber.

They're brothers who grew up playing the hit board game Catan because 30 years ago,

their father Klaus invented it.

Now the brothers run the business of Katan with more than 45 million games sold worldwide. We'll talk about why I think this game, where players pretend to develop an island by gathering resources, building roads, and forming trading alliances,

is the best board game for entrepreneurs.

The publishing company was so overwhelmed because they got all of these orders.

They thought it was an April Fool's joke too late in the year when they got these orders.

And then the retailers said, no, no, we mean it. We want that order.

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