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I'm Terry Gross.

To understand the war between Israel and Hamas and its impact on the region, you have to know

it's being said in private by leaders who are afraid to say those things in public.

That includes Arab leaders, members of Netanyahu's war cabinet, the Israeli

military, and Gazans. That's part of what I'm going to talk about with Greg

Kralstrom, a Middle East correspondent for the economist.

We'll also talk about why some Arab leaders hate Hamas,

fear Iran, and have some sympathy for Israel,

although not for how Israel is waging the war.

Netagnahu doesn't have a political plan for running Gaza.

We'll talk about the consequences of that,

and what life is likely to be like for Gazans in the future.

Greg Kostram has covered the Middle East for more than a decade.

He is the author of the 2017 book,

How Long Will Israel Survive, The Threat From Within. When we recorded our interview yesterday he was in

Dubai where he's based. Greg Kostrom, welcome to fresh air. Let's start with what people are saying in private but not in public. Are you

hearing anything from the Israeli military? What they've been saying in

private for a while now, they have actually in the past just in the past few days

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