Today you cannot do anything without Chinese government monitoring your

activities, talking about 400 million take vision cameras. Every aspect of your life

United States government believes that over 80 countries already have either

adopted or in the process of adopting Chinese digital authoritarianism.

In this episode I sit down with the chair of the U.S. Commission on International

Religious Freedom, Nuri Turekel. He was born in a reeducation camp in China

during the Cultural Revolution. They treat people of faith as though they have

a mental illness. As though they carry infectious disease,

the reeducation is a code word for human re-engineering.

What was America's greatest strategic blunder in its relationship with the CCP?

And how can it be rectified now? American people need to stop investing in self-destruction.

This is American Thought Leaders and I'm Janja Kellek.

Nuri Turekel. It's such a pleasure to have you back on American Thought Leaders.

Thank you very much for having me. You know when you were on last we were talking about your book,

no escape, talking about being born in communist China in a camp and making it to America and

becoming a foreign corrupt practices act lawyer in the process on kind of unbelievable journey.

And lately you've been doing something frankly very topical which is you took on running the U.S.

Commission on International Religious Freedom. And it's the annual report time and why don't we

just start there? Just tell me a little bit about what this is, what this organization is because

we have to keep kind of reminding folks. And then also what you found.

The U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom was established in 1999.

The Commission is an independent federal government agency that reports religious freedom

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