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Recap: Do you need to eat meat to build muscle? | Simon Hill & Will Bulsiewicz

ZOE Science & Nutrition

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Nutrition, Health & Fitness, Education, Science

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🗓️ 3 June 2025

⏱️ 15 minutes

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Today we’re diving into protein. It’s the nutrient at the centre of some of the biggest debates in nutrition - especially when it comes to building muscle. And as more people adopt plant-based diets, one question keeps coming up: Can non-meat proteins really support strength and overall health? So, what does the science say? Is it better to get our protein from animals or plants? I’m joined by nutrition expert Simon Hill and Dr. Will Bulsiewicz to break down the benefits of both, and to explore how we can build muscle in the healthiest, most sustainable way. 🥑 Make smarter food choices. Become a member a zoe.com - 10% off with code PODCAST 🌱 Try our new plant based wholefood supplement - Daily30+ *Naturally high in copper which contributes to normal energy yielding metabolism and the normal function of the immune system 📚 Books from our ZOE Scientists:The Food For Life Cookbook by Prof. Tim Spector Food For Life by Prof. Tim Spector Every Body Should Know This by Dr Federica Amati Free resources from ZOE: Live Healthier: Top 10 Tips From ZOE Science & Nutrition  Gut Guide - for a healthier microbiome in weeks Have feedback or a topic you'd like us to cover? Let us know here Listen to the full episode here

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to Zoe Recap, where each week we find the best bits from one of our podcast episodes to help you improve your health.

0:09.0

Today we're diving into protein. It's the nutrient at the center of some of the biggest debates in nutrition, especially when it comes to building muscle.

0:19.0

And as more people adopt plant-based diets, one question keeps coming up.

0:23.6

Can non-meat proteins really support strength and overall health?

0:27.6

So what does the science say?

0:29.6

Is it better to get our protein from animals or plants?

0:33.6

I'm joined by nutrition expert Simon Hill and Dr. Will Bolswitch to break down the benefits of both

0:39.5

and to explore how we can build muscle in the healthiest and most sustainable way.

0:46.0

Protein is a building block, an important part of our body. And so we classically think about it as

0:53.9

the building block of muscle or of bone,

0:56.8

but it also is involved in signaling within the body and different biochemical reactions that

1:02.4

are occurring throughout our entire body. It's also not just muscle and bone. There's other organs

1:07.1

where protein is an essential part of building those organs. You think about the heart,

1:11.3

the liver, the kidneys. We need protein in order to build those. And so protein is also part of our

1:19.6

diet. And it's an essential part of our diet. And when we use the word essential in nutrition,

1:24.5

what we mean is that you have to get this. You have to get this.

1:28.6

And so protein can be found in many different sources within our diet. The classic is animal-based

1:35.9

foods, so eating red meat, so pork or beef, eating fish, poultry.

1:47.7

With these, what we're doing is we're literally eating the muscle of the animal.

1:51.0

And so naturally, that's a high protein source.

1:52.8

But there's also eggs.

1:55.1

There's also dairy products that contain protein.

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