Hello there, Chuck Todd. I just stepped off the meat depressed set. I interviewed National Security

Advisor Jake Sullivan and Alaska Senator Dan Sullivan, no relation or at least no close

relation as far as either one of them are. No. We look back on a full year of war in Ukraine

and outline how likely it is that public support to aid the Ukrainian effort will wane before

we get to year three. We'll also set up this split screen between Biden and Warsaw, former

President Trump traveling to East Palestine, Ohio. Trump trying to chide President Biden

for not having come down to Ohio himself and also invoking the cost of the war, something

to keep an eye on throughout the year, especially in Republican primary politics. But I want

to take a step back and reflect on the legacy of President Jimmy Carter, who just spent

a week in hospice care. I'm sitting here now with someone who knows him better than most

people alive. And that's journalist and author Jonathan Alter. He wrote a terrific 2020

biography, his very best Jimmy Carter a life. Mr. Alter, it's good to see you. Good to see

you, Chuck. You know, I don't know when the right time it is to assess a presidency, but

I feel like 40 years isn't bad. And you were a 40 year reflection sort of, you sort of

iron out all the partisanship a little bit. You get to almost look at it and see sort of

long term things. So bust a few myths. What do you, what's a myth about Carter that you

feel like you were able to bust in your, in your, your look at him? Well, I'll leave it to others

to determine whether I successfully busted the myth, but the main one that I wanted to bust

was Lousy President, great former president who got more done after he left office. Great.

That's been the, that's the, that's the elevator tape, right? The elevator tape. Anybody

you talk to would say that same thing if they were alive during Carter. Oh, yeah. Nice man.

Terrible president. Right. So the problem with that is that former presidents, even if they're

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