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them some kind of like janky, like 90s streaming set up. I don't know what was going on there,

but we did get to talk. Tonight, we would get Joe Fan back with Evan Hill. Have we ever done

this, this trio? I don't remember. I know you guys been on together at some point.

I know we've been in nachos together a couple of times, but I'm trying to remember maybe

maybe a couple of years ago related to some Jamal Adams stuff. Am I totally off base?

We've definitely been on together. It's more of, I just don't know if it's been exclusively us. I think like Nathan's

been on or Jeff's been on, but like just three of us, I don't think has happened. So

this is good. So I need to know, Joe, uh, your day today did it involve golf? No, I wish. It's like

70 degrees in Vegas right now. So I'm going to try to play hockey and play

tomorrow. This is why you live in Vegas. It's unbelievable. How many, how often, well,

maybe you don't want to admit this. How often are you getting out there? In the summer, it's a lot

easier because it's light till eight or nine. So you can go play nine holes in the evenings super

easily. Right now now they're getting

dark at 430 i try to make sure i get once a weekend just because otherwise i'm just grumpy and

irritable more so than i normally am um but most two it's not crazy it's not a crazy number

and then i'll go weeks without playing at all so i don't know so i got as much i'd like But most two, it's not crazy. It's not a crazy number.

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