Hey everybody, it's Brian. Before I did this Seahawks stuff full time, I worked as a manager and senior leader, so I know how lonely it can be to try to find someone you trust to talk through people issues, org issues, process issues, as you try to lead an organization.

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pretty much everywhere now, YouTube, TikTok, Instagram, more places than you want, frankly, ad hoc blogger.

And this is a fun episode. We've got Evan Hill, who's, you know, for everyone knows,

either you love Evan Hill and he's the reason you're here or you see Evan Hill is going to be

on the show and you absolutely avoid it. There's only two types

of people in the world. And so for the people that come for Evan Hill, we've got Evan Hill's evil

twin, Phanan Nagasi, like two of the most unhinged Twitter follows I've had the honor of enjoying and laughing at,

the most use of all caps and swearing that I've seen.

I've taken the training wheels off.

Anything goes tonight.

And Phan, thank you so much for joining.

How are you doing?

I'm doing great.

Yes.

Evan and I are very similar. We're very unhinged. It's going to get very messy today. But I'm not going to get you in trouble,

Brian. I'm going to try me about to not get you in trouble. You know what? Like, let me deal with that.

Let me handle that. You and we'll see how it goes. If you see me turn like

stark white, uh, which is just a little bit shade lighter than I am right now, then you know,

maybe we've gone too far. But I think, I think, I don't think we'll get there. Um, Evan,

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