going to talk about obviously Yeagin Klopp appeared on the diary of a CEO podcast, one of the most watched or listened to podcasts, certainly in the UK. I don't know. Obviously, the reach is worldwide as well, giving the amount of views and stuff it gets. It was an interesting one. This means, obviously, if you haven't watched it, we'll go through some of the highlights or topics covered, Paul, but for Yegan Klopp to sit down and it was a very long interview on such a high profile platform.

First of all, what did you make of it just in general

as a spectator slash listener of the show?

Did they live up to what you expected you were going to get?

Yeah, what it did was it reminded me

how gregarious and how charismatic

and great company Klopp was when he was fresh

and energized and keen to sit down and chat. I remember me and a few of my colleagues from

the national media chatting to him before the Carabot Cup final in 2024, was it? And he hadn't done a pre-match press conference

pep linders had done that so we went upstairs with clop in us in the carlsberg lounge of the

axe set so we hadn't just done 15 20 minutes of a press conference so he came into quite refreshed

and sat down and at the end of it 2025 minutes you're coming away from her thinking, no one of these players run through a brick wall for this fella, because he was just so, just so illuminating and everything that he said. And there was a lot of that in the chat with Stephen Bartlett, you know, the things that make him such a charismatic, you know, public orator. And speaking, you know, it's not even his first language, is he?

But, you know, the way he talks and the way he is so enthusiastic

and he just has a little turn of phrase for so many things

and just sums things up in, you know, five or six words.

And sometimes you never thought about it like that.

And I thought it was brilliant.

At the first time I've ever listened to the Stephen Bartlett podcast, I'm honest.

But it was very good, very interesting in some bits.

He was talking about his relationship with Michael Edwards and Julian Ward

and the fact that there was essentially no structure around them in his final months as the

manager and that is essentially what ground them down and took his energy away because he was

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