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So we got him out of bed and he was just a crying bumblely mess, you know.

So it was good, this big strong coward, was crying like a baby when he was arrested.

Heatho Lachlan is an Australian author whose new book Sons of God is about a topic very close to his heart, the Victorian Special Operations

Group. It's special to Heath because his father Doug was a founding member. This is Australian True Crime with Michelle Laurie and Emily Webb.

Come with us as we go beyond the headlines to discover how people become killers,

how people become victims, and what happens next.

In this episode, we'll hear about sieges, stabbings, hostage situations, and terror

attacks from the perspective of a man whose job it was to deal with them all and from

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