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This is a reasonable doubt with your hosts, Mark Garagas, and Adam Corolla. Yeah, get it on, got to get it on. The choice of going to men get on and welcome the best hour or so in the universe. It's Adam Corolla over here on the west coast, on the east coast, it's Mark Hardout. Garagas, calling from his New York offices.

I'm calling from the New York offices, and you know, you know how Bill Mard does overtime for his show. If we did before time for our show, people I think would get a laugh out of the two minutes before we go on air.

That's the stuff that's not fit for prime time. I'm speaking of prime time. I saw you on Jesse Waters last night. Oh my God, talking about, I was on Jesse last night. In fact, we landed and they had the mobile van literally like 50 yards from the from the airport.

And so I just kind of ran out, got in the van and talked about my favorite thing. And I know Gary wanted to start with something else, but I want to start with this.

And I shouldn't laugh and I preface this. It's a horrible fact situation. And I'm talking about the six people who died and was it was conscious and the correct answer. This is the pro per. He's going without a lawyer. This is the gentleman who was he was convicted today.

And he was a very good candidate here. Yes, he was of several different counts and life sentences on life sentences. Okay, but this is what I need to tell people and just press pause for one second while I said this up.

Now I try, I've tried hundreds of trials and you know the and I have talked with I know most of the premier trial lawyers in America. And I will tell you that trials are some of the most stressful things.

So your brain goes to weird places when you're in trial. And when I say weird places, you think about things. And one of the things that I've thought about, but I have apparently not damaged enough of my impulse control of the frontal cerebral cortex.

One of the things I've always wanted to do is build a fort at council table so that it would block the judges side of me. Yes, you know, when I'm just like I'm so mad.

Yeah, I heard that sentiment echoed on on the show last night. Yeah, she was she was having none of it. Mark, I know we're waiting into dangerous waters here. But have you ever had a case where some not you had a case, have you ever heard of a case where somebody represented themselves where it worked out.

I will give you one in his recent. It's a vanity where he fired the lawyer in his California case. Basically right at the beginning and then got a mistrial. I mean, he ended up it ended up being a, I absolute disaster for him later on, but he did get a mistrial.

There's another case years ago where I was advising a guy and guy wanted me to represent him and I just didn't want to get in the middle of it. He'd already picked a jury, but I advised the guy during the trial and he got a hung jury and I will tell you why the, and I was talking to this about to Jesse waters last night.

The, you know, sometimes jurors, if you are the defendant and you're talking to them directly, sometimes you can connect with one or two. And I remember this case, my father used to tell me about where he was doing a trial.

He was the prosecutor and I think it was in Lancaster and the defendant was pro per meaning he represents himself and the defendant's defense was that he that somebody had implanted some kind of a transistor or device in his face in his teeth.

And he could then hold up this shows you how far back it goes an AM FM transistor radio and he could get orders from the radio and he was listening to the orders and that's why he did whatever crime it was he did.

And my father thought, you know, this poor guy he's mentally challenged and blah blah blah and didn't really kind of engage that much with him, but the jury goes out.

And the first question of the jurors were your honor, can you send in an AM FM transistor radio, we want to test it out on the defendant.

So sometimes, you know, you can engage words. Yeah. And the, by the way, the guy who it would retain my office many years ago, I guided him through and explain to him and kind of guide him through how to do testimony versus a closing argument, things like that.

And he had a hundred or two jurors hunt for him. So occasionally works out did not work out for this guy, but boy, he was he was as I mean, Gary, you have some of the other things he took a shirt off and try or not in trial, but free trial.

He was telling he was going crazy on this judge, West, the patience of Joe, it was quite a circus.

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