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The Winston Marshall Show

Raymond Ibrahim - “Heroic!” The UNCENSORED History of THE CRUSADES

The Winston Marshall Show

Winston Marshall

Society & Culture

4.8661 Ratings

🗓️ 24 February 2026

⏱️ 132 minutes

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Summary

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In this episode of The Winston Marshall Show, I sit down with historian and Middle East scholar Raymond Ibrahim for a deep historical examination of the Crusades, the centuries long conflict between Islam and Christianity, and the moral framework of just war.


We challenge the modern narrative that portrays the Crusades as unprovoked Christian aggression, and instead trace the centuries of Islamic expansion that preceded them, from the conquest of the Levant and North Africa to the fall of Christian territories across the Mediterranean. Ibrahim lays out the theological, military, and political realities of the era, arguing that the Crusades were understood at the time as defensive wars within a Christian just war tradition.


The conversation explores jihad doctrine, papal authority, pilgrimage routes, the Byzantine appeal for help, and the brutal realities of medieval warfare on all sides. We discuss how both Christian and Muslim chroniclers recorded atrocities, enslavement, and religious violence, and why sanitised or selective readings distort the period.


We also examine how the Crusades are invoked in modern political rhetoric, why historical memory shapes contemporary tensions, and whether the West has lost confidence in telling its own story honestly.


A rigorous and unfiltered discussion about faith, war, civilisation, and what the Crusades really meant in their own time.

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Chapters

00:00 Introduction

03:09 The 7th Century Islamic Conquests and Europe’s Shock

07:30 How Early Christians Interpreted Islam

11:41 Jihad: Faith, Plunder, or Both?

16:57 Just War Theory and the Theology of Violence

20:00 The Rise of the Seljuk Turks and New Atrocities

23:35 The Destruction of the Holy Sepulchre

27:48 Pacifism vs Defence: What Did Christ Teach?

31:36 The “Two Swords of Christ” Explained

41:16 Medieval Honour vs Modern Materialism

47:37 Pope Urban II and the Call to Crusade

49:12 The People’s Crusade and the Rhine Pogroms

52:32 The Professional Crusaders March East

58:42 Why They Fought: Holy Land and Christian Solidarity

1:00:07 The Capture of Jerusalem

1:03:35 The Birth of the Knights Templar

1:18:00 Saladin and the Loss of Jerusalem

1:48:00 How the Crusades Are Misunderstood Today

2:01:00 Did the Crusades Ultimately Fail?


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Transcript

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to the Winston Marshall Show with me, Winston Marshall.

0:03.5

I sat down with a friend of the show historian Raymond, Abraham Raymond, on our previous conversation,

0:10.7

a tour de force, a history of Islam and the conquests of Europe.

0:15.4

Well, that episode ended up being our most popular yet on YouTube.

0:19.9

We bumped into each other in Budapest and upon the

0:23.4

new book of His, the Two Swords of Christ, we thought we should do part two. So here is the true

0:30.3

history of the Crusades, according to Raymond Ibrahim. I just wanted to say, thank you for your

0:36.6

continued support. If you want to support

0:38.7

the show, remember to press subscribe and follow wherever you get your podcast from. And if you head

0:43.7

over to Winston-martial.com.uk, not only will you enjoy ad-free viewing and listening, but

0:49.3

you'll hear Raymond take some of our sub-sackers phenomenal questions and we explore the theory that

0:55.8

the Prophet Muhammad never existed and Raymond tells me what he thinks about that. We also look

1:00.9

at what happened under the Mukhals in India, the claim that 18 million Hindus were killed

1:06.9

by their Muslim overlords. And Raymond tells me a little bit about his bodybuilding career.

1:13.0

That's all exclusive to our substack over at winstonmartial.co.uk.

1:19.4

Otherwise, thanks for listening. And without further ado, Raymond Ibrahim.

1:23.9

Raymond I'm thrilled to be sat with you again.

1:28.3

And now you have just put out a new book, The Two Swords of Christ, Five Centuries

1:33.3

of War between Islam and the warrior monks of Christendom, focusing on the Knights Templar and Knights

1:41.3

Hospital, which I'm hoping to get into with you in this conversation,

1:44.8

the truth about the Crusades.

1:47.9

So perhaps we should go right to the beginning.

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