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Rationally Speaking #192 - Jesse Singal on “The problems with implicit bias tests”

Rationally Speaking Podcast

New York City Skeptics

Society & Culture, Skepticism, Science, Philosophy

4.6787 Ratings

🗓️ 3 September 2017

⏱️ 52 minutes

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Summary

You may have heard of the Implicit Associations Test (IAT) -- one of the most famous instruments from social psychology, it's frequently cited as evidence that most people harbor implicit racism or sexism, even if they aren't aware of it. This episode features science journalist Jesse Singal, who argues that the IAT has been massively overhyped, and that in fact there's little evidence that it's measuring real-life bias. Jesse and Julia discuss how to interpret the IAT, why it became so popular, and why it's still likely that implicit bias is real, even if the IAT isn't capturing it.

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0:00.0

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0:09.1

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0:25.2

It's free and available to everyone online. Check them out at give well.org. Welcome to Rationally Speaking, the podcast where we explore the borderlands between reason and nonsense.

0:48.6

I'm your host, Julia Galef, and my guest today is Jesse Single.

0:53.5

Jesse is a journalist, formerly the senior editor for New York Magazine's website,

0:57.8

where he ran the blog The Science of Us, and is now a contributing writer for New York Magazine.

1:02.8

I started following Jesse on Twitter because from time to time, these articles would pop up in my news feed on Facebook or on Twitter, and I'd be like,

1:12.7

huh, this is an unusually thoughtful, statistically literate example of science journalism.

1:18.3

And then I would check the byline, and it would be by Jesse every time.

1:21.9

So I was like, I should really follow this person on Twitter.

1:26.0

We're going to be talking today about the implicit

1:29.3

association test, the most famous test, I would say, of unconscious bias, particularly racial or

1:36.9

gender bias. And you may have heard of the IAT, not necessarily by that name, but you may have

1:43.0

heard it referenced because in all of these

1:45.0

conversations that our society has been having about sexism in the tech world or about

1:49.6

racism among police officers in the last few years, people often reference the IAT as evidence

1:55.2

that, look, even if you don't feel consciously biased in your views of women or minorities, that doesn't mean you

2:01.9

aren't. And in fact, most people have these unconscious biases against these groups, which the IAT

2:07.5

can reveal. So it's been in the public discourse a lot, probably more than almost any other social

2:14.4

psychology instrument. However, as researchers and journalists have been

2:20.6

scrutinizing the IAT a little more closely and the evidence that it's measuring something real and

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