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Rational Security: The “Trump and Elon Both Love Lawfare” Edition

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🗓️ 21 April 2024

⏱️ 76 minutes

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Summary

This week on Rational Security, Alan and Quinta sat down with Lawfare Editor-in-Chief Benjamin Wittes to talk through the week’s big national security news, including:

  • “Ayatollahs and Airstrikes.” In retaliation for an Israeli strike that killed several high-ranking Iranian military officers in Syria, over the weekend Iran launched a wave of drone and missile attacks against Israel. The vast majority of these were shot down by Israel and its allies, including notably Jordan, causing minimal injuries and damage in Israel. As Israel considers whether to respond, its American and European allies are putting pressure on it to deescalate. What’s Israel’s next move and can broader regional war be avoided?
  • “Beginning of the end or just the end of the beginning?” It has been six months since Hamas’s attack on October 7 and the start of Israel’s war in Gaza, which appears to be entering a new, potentially lower-intensity phase. Israel has withdrawn most of its troops from southern Gaza, although it still argues that it needs to invade Rafah, on the border with Egypt, to defeat Hamas. Meanwhile, violence between Jewish settlers and Palestinians in the West Bank continues to increase. What’s next in the ongoing conflict?
  • “What’s a little obstruction between friends?” Earlier this week, the Supreme Court heard oral argument in Fischer v. United States, a case challenging the government’s use of a common statute used to prosecute participants in the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol. The six conservative Justices appeared skeptical of the government’s argument that a statute that makes it a crime to “obstruct any official proceeding” applies to physical disruptions. How is the Court likely to rule and how might such a ruling affect Donald Trump’s federal trial for trying to overthrow the 2020 election?

For object lessons, Quinta recommended a throwing-the-wife-under-the-bus update in New Jersey's Senator Bob Menendez's ongoing legal troubles, and Alan and Ben both recommended excellent, if anxiety-inducing, national security themed movies: the recently released Civil War and the upcoming War Game.

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2024. For today's episode, the team at Lawfair decided to cross post this week's episode of Rational Security, a roundtable

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podcast hosted by Scott R Anderson, Quinta Doresek, and Alan Z. Rosenberg, in which they

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discuss the week's top national security news stories. Today's episode is entitled

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The Trump and Elon both love law fair edition. In the episode

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Alan and Quinta sat down with Benjamin Wittis to discuss Iran strikes against

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Israel and retaliation for the death of several Iranian high-level military

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officials in Syria.

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The sixth month into the war in Gaza, the oral argument presented to the Supreme Court in a January

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6th related case of Fisher v. United States and more.

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This is rational security.

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So Ben, I hear your heart at work editing our jury selection coverage in the in the

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hush money case how's that going? You know jury selection is super super

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important and trying to make it like compelling narrative for for

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the lay reader you know know, that's, that takes editorial chops.

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What do you mean?

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What about juror number B 7, 436?

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I mean, you know.

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