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The Lawfare Podcast

Rational Security: The “Don’t Upset the Masks” Edition

The Lawfare Podcast

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4.76.2K Ratings

🗓️ 15 October 2025

⏱️ 76 minutes

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Summary

This week, Scott sat down with his Lawfare colleagues Benjamin Wittes, Kate Klonick, and newly-minted Senior Editor Molly Roberts to talk through the week’s big national security news stories, including:

  • “Peace by Piece.” The first phase of the Trump administration’s peace plan for Gaza went into effect on Monday, resulting in the return of the last living hostages held by Hamas to Israel, among other exchanges. President Trump celebrated the moment with a triumphal speech in front of the Israeli Knesset, followed by a peace conference at Sharm el-Sheikh where the United States signed a joint statement with the heads of state of Egypt, Qatar, and Turkey. While much work remains to be done on implementing the deal, even Trump’s Democratic political rivals have lauded the deal. How much credit does the Trump administration truly deserve? And where is the conflict likely to head from here?
  • “Un-Civil Service.” Since the U.S. government shut down at the end of September, U.S. agency websites and emails have been plastered with messages unequivocally blaming congressional Democrats and the “radical Left.” It’s an unprecedented use of government resources for a set of messages that looks quite political—exactly what the Hatch Act, among other laws, was intended to prevent. Are these messages consistent with the law? 
  • “Out of Our Element.” China kicked off a major new phase in its economic war with the United States last week, when it imposed major new export controls and rare earth metals and components derived from them—materials essential to various high-end technologies, including the semiconductors that power artificial intelligence. President Trump has since responded with a threat to impose 100% tariffs on Chinese imports—but what China may really want is a relaxation of export controls on AI-related semiconductors. How big a threat is China’s weaponization of its rare earth exports? And how should the United States and its allies respond?

In object lessons, Ben shares his new campaign to troll the Russian embassy—an offensive involving 100 dead sunflowers. Kate has an existential crisis over her (old? new? what is time?) college sweatshirt. Scott gets spicy with a plea to listeners about what to do with his abundance of Bhut Jolokia peppers. And Molly brings a bit of beauty to the party with a Prinsesstårta, no doubt something she’ll be asked to make for the office.

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0:00.0

This is Jack Carr, former Navy SEAL, and author of the Terminalist series.

0:04.3

My latest novel is called Cry Havoc.

0:06.1

It's set in 1968 Vietnam.

0:08.3

It's an espionage thriller set in Saigon, the Mountains of Laos, Bangkok, Moscow, and Washington, D.C.

0:14.7

Shadow ops, spy ships, and a Soviet plot that could tip the balance of the Cold War.

0:19.5

All my books are inspired by real-world events.

0:22.9

I like to think of them as fiction with whispers of truth. Cry Havoc is out now.

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0:57.0

By now at Boots.

1:03.0

So the last time we at Kate on the podcast,

1:07.0

we admired her extraordinary background full of knick-knacks.

1:11.2

But now you have competition because we have Ben Wittes here where his office is a whirlwind of

1:18.2

knick-knacks at any given moment.

1:20.7

But I'm realizing we have like a nice parallel here because Kate over your shoulder,

1:24.1

including a shirtless Vladimir Putin wearing a bear, as Ben's just pulled out

1:27.7

for anybody watching on video. But Kate, you have, I think was, was it Audrey Hepburn,

1:32.3

his portrait that is over your picture? Grace Kelly. That's Grace Kelly over your shoulder. And Ben,

1:36.2

you have only slightly less beautiful face over your shoulder. Tell us who this is this beautiful

1:40.9

visage of vaguely ominous spookiness.

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