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The Lawfare Podcast

Rational Security: The “Closing the Clubhouse” Edition

The Lawfare Podcast

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International Law, Government, Military, Rule Of Law, International Relations, History, News, Terrorism, Politics, Law, Intelligence, National Security, Foreign Policy, Constitutional Law, Diplomacy, Current Events

4.76.4K Ratings

🗓️ 23 May 2024

⏱️ 80 minutes

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Summary

This week, Alan, Quinta, and Scott were joined by Lawfare Editor-in-Chief Benjamin Wittes, fresh from his New York rumspringa, to talk over the week’s big national security news, including:

  • “You Don’t Have to Go Home, But You Can’t Stay Here.” That’s the message that will soon be going out to those Lawfare team members that have been camping out at our temporary Manhattan studio, as, after weeks of proceedings, it is officially closing time for former President Donald Trump’s criminal prosecution in New York. How has the trial proceeded? And what have we learned up to this point, before the verdict comes in?
  • “Spinning the Wheels of Justice.” The prosecutor for the International Criminal Court has made a landmark request for arrest warrants targeting Hamas’s three most senior officials as well as Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Defense Minister Yoav Gallant on the grounds that they have committed war crimes and crimes against humanity. Is this a step towards justice? Or towards an end to the conflict?
  • “Take a Hayek.” The Biden administration has now followed in the Trump administration’s footsteps in imposing major tariffs on imports from China, and both parties seem comfortable with a level of trade protectionism that would have been inconceivable just a few decades ago. Is this the end of the neoliberal experiment? And what seems set to come about in its wake?

For object lessons, Alan recommended pianist Víkingur Ólafsson’s reworking of Bach's Organ Sonata No. 4. Quinta shouted out two cartoonists illustrating the Trump trial: Liza Donnelly for the New Yorker and Josh Cochran for the New York Times. Scott recommended the new book forthcoming from friend-of-the-pod Michel Paradis, a new portrait of Dwight Eisenhower in the lead-up to D-Day entitled “The Light of Battle.” And Ben gave an unlikely endorsement to one of Trump’s legal counsel, the somewhat vampiric but nonetheless effective Emil Bove.

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So I have to say my favorite part of the Lawfare New York branch experience has been watching

0:37.9

Benjamin Wittis transform back into the New Yorker he was born to be so liberturally. The New Yorker he was born

0:46.3

in. Born as. Born as. Yeah there's no to be there. But I don't understand. I'm not a New Yorker. How have I transformed? You were born in New York man. That's it. I was born in Boston.

0:57.0

Oh you were? I didn't know that. But I grew up in New York until I was 13 whereupon I moved to Washington and found my true home in the swamp.

1:07.0

But I don't understand what in what sense have I transformed back into a New Yorker? Just your general bad naturedness.

1:14.0

Yeah, you keep talking about the water, how good it makes the pizza.

1:17.0

You're kind of a jerk.

1:19.0

It's kind of, it's kind of, it's kind of, it's all the thing.

1:22.0

I have been in New York for the last few days although I'm now back in DC.

1:26.1

I had some pizza while I was there.

1:28.0

It was great.

1:28.8

DC can't do good pizza.

1:31.2

That is the most slanderous pizza I've ever heard.

1:33.8

D.C. pizza is extremely mediocre Scott.

1:36.5

No, there's extremely good pizza.

1:38.5

Scott, you're out number.

1:39.5

You're out number.

1:40.5

Not just how I make pizza.

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