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Welcome to NFL Daily, where we've never watched game film with Matt Eber Fluse either.

I'm Greg Rosenthal, and I'm talking to my friend, J.P. Acosta, of SB Nation.

And, JP, you made a mistake. You did too awesome of a job last time. You were a fan favorite of the listeners of NFL Daily. So I asked you back real quick. And I'm talking Iber Fluse because we're talking coaches today. We're going to rank the best coaches in the NFL. Hope you're ready. I'm ready. I'm ready for it. Unfortunately, Matt Iberthus will not be on this list, but I think his beard should be an honorable member.

I know. It feels like kicking a guy when he's down to call him out. He's a very good defensive coordinator. And his defense in Chicago had an identity and he got it going. So that's one thing I look for in a coaching staff and a head coach especially. I think he'll be good in Dallas. But he's actually someone I was thinking about. And I'm referring to the article that Seth Wickersham wrote about Caleb Williams. It's actually an excerpt from his book. We'll mention that maybe a little later, but just that he was just all on an island. No one was watching game film with him. And just thinking about Iberfus makes me think about if we did this exercise a year ago right now. I think there'd be more obvious guys at the bottom. And so that was my overarching thought. We're not going to rank the first time head coaches, just because it seems silly. But me and you, we're going to go back and forth making picks and just rank them one to 29, because there's four first time head coaches. And so we're not going to mess with Kellyn Moore. It's like, what are we going to do ranking him? But Mike Rable, Pete Carroll, like, they're up for grabs because they've been head coaches before. And my thought was like, the coaches are pretty, they're fine.

Like, I feel bad for whoever gets ranked 20th to 29th.

It's like they don't seem like they're bad coaches.

I think in general, my overarching statement is the coaches are fine.

There's not as big a difference between like a bad coach and a good coach as you think.

There's a few bad coaches usually.

And actually I think right now, like, there's not that many. Yeah, I think this, I guess who can

call it parody among coaching ranks? Like, there's a lot of balance around the league. And I think

some of it is due to all, there's sort of every coaching tree has its own like offshoots where everybody comes from like a shanahan or mcvay style offense so eventually those things sort of kind of work out but there's so many there's so much balance across the league like you said like you said among coaching staff, that it made ranking this really hard.

Because like you said, going to like into the 20s, you're like, oh, like I could see this

guy moving up a lot.

They seem like good coaches.

Even whoever's going to be around 10, 12, we'll see what happens.

I have long had a theory, which I would probably tweak now.

But it was mostly that there's like a handful of really big difference makers on each side of the leisure when it comes to coaches, like on the plus side and on the negative. And the rest, it's just like it's about the players. And it's still always about the players, but that there's a big middle class where there's not that much difference. So what we're going to do, like I said, we're going to rank them in a unique way. It's basically like a draft, but it'll end up being a ranking where we just go back and forth taking who we think the best coaches left on the board. And we're really evaluating them, not really for everything that they've done or even what's going to happen in the next five years. Like, who would you want coaching your team right now? And of course, what they've done in the past, you know, comes into that. That's their track record that informs your pick. So I wanted to have you on in part because I was curious who would be your number one coach. So I will give you the first pick here and start out with picking

your coach. Okay. So the way I kind of thought about this is if I were a team building an

expansion franchise, if I'm trying to get a team from the floor up, you know, and that actually

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