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🗓️ 19 June 2025
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Dave Rubin of “The Rubin Report” talks to Rand Paul about Washington’s failure to address the national debt; his opposition to reckless spending and debt ceiling increases in the Big Beautiful bill; concerns over emergency powers and tariff abuse; the need for congressional approval before military action in Iran; his views on Israel’s attack on Iran, diplomacy, and the risks of escalation; the dangers of preemptive strikes; the importance of fiscal conservatism and constitutional limits on government power; and much more.
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0:00.0 | All right, Senator Rand Paul, whatever will we talk about on our every few month chat today. |
0:14.4 | You got anything going on over there in D.C.? |
0:16.9 | You know, it's just hard to find any issues anymore because it's so, you know, just kind of slogging along. |
0:23.5 | No war, no wars, no budget problems. No, there's plenty of talk about. There's a lot of serious problems going on and happy to have you on. And, well, you know, why don't we, we're obviously going to talk about the Israel-Iran situation. But why don't we hold that for a moment and first just get into some of |
0:41.6 | this big, beautiful bill stuff, the budget stuff. There's been a little tension between you and Trump. |
0:47.1 | Then he kind of sort of brought you back in. Obviously, everyone knows your feelings on fiscal responsibility. Why don't you kind of just get us caught up on maybe where you are, where you think Trump is, where the bill will land, and then we'll hit all the other stuff. |
1:00.5 | Well, we're in counseling right now. The president and I are working together and we're trying to work out our differences. |
1:07.1 | I call it the big, not yet beautiful bill. I mean, there's a lot of good stuff in it. A lot of stuff I've |
1:12.9 | always supported and still do. The tax cuts are most of the tax cuts from 2017. I voted for them then, |
1:19.9 | big supporter of them. I was in the Oval Office working with the president at the time to make |
1:24.5 | those tax cuts, make sure that they applied to the entire middle class. |
1:28.8 | I'm happy to make those permanent. |
1:31.0 | I accept the understanding that you can cut tax rates and get more tax revenue, the idea of |
1:36.8 | supply side economics, Art Laffer, and I think over the seven years that we've had those initial |
1:42.5 | tax cuts, they actually did bring in more revenue. |
1:45.8 | In the end, we didn't lose revenue from those tax cuts. |
1:48.2 | We actually increased economic growth and ended up getting more revenue. |
1:52.7 | There's some additional tax cuts added. |
1:54.9 | I'm for those too. |
1:55.9 | So I really am for that part of the bill. |
1:59.0 | I do think the deficit's a problem, though, and we're running |
2:02.1 | about a $2 trillion annual deficit. The question is, should we use this simple majority bill? |
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